Comments on: Moving away from Hibernate

By: Big D

Big D — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:22:53 +0000

Stephan’s right. The hibernate forums and community are not helpful. They usually range from unresponsive to curt on a good day.

The docs are often inadequate or missing crucial information, (which is to be expected in a large product, I suppose, but the overall attitude of the hibernate team is that they users are supplicants who should be honored to be addressed by hibernate team in their precious spare time. Even when something is flat-out wrong in their product or docs you’re lucky to get a response.

They are doing quite well, acquired by RedHat and publishing books left and right, but persist in an attitude that they are giving away software for free which all the frustrated users should be happy to have access to.

I’ve been using their products for 5 years or so now, and every few months hit an issue that takes days or weeks to resolve, with the same attitude and frustration every time.

By: stephan

stephan — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:34:40 +0000

Gavin, I’m honored by your presence.

I thought there was a difference between JBoss the company and the Hibernate community, so I can’t see the point why a community cannot be “JBossified” just because thr people who behave in some “JBossified” way are not JBoss employees.

> “You might not realize, but he was actually trying to help you out.”

I might realize this, although in a very strange way. The intention was there perhaps, but the style wasn’t. The user didn’t get Hibernate JPA working with Glassfish on Windows. Then the Glassfish community found the problem in the JBoss code. And as I pointed out, this was only one example I recently stumbled over when I tried to get JPA working, there have been other examples in the past. I guess there are always tradeoffs with decisions.

> “It really is quite amusing”

Of course this is amusing, otherwise I wouldn’t have a blog, would I?

By: Gavin

Gavin — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:11:36 +0000

It really is quite amusing to see you point to a forum thread with no posts from any Hibernate team member or JBoss employee, in order to demonstrate how badly JBossified the Hibernate community is.

By the way, Tenwit is a really helpful and patient guy who provides lots of useful advice to new users. Everyone occasionally makes (in this case very minor) errors. You might not realize, but he was actually trying to help you out.

By: Emmanuel Bernard

Emmanuel Bernard — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:12:05 +0000

Damn, I didn’t see it was from today.

By: stephan

stephan — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:59:29 +0000

Thanks for your clarification, I spoke about the community and forums, not the company (as Tenwit said for himself). And it wasn’t about the mistake just about the style.

Ah yes, going back I can read the answer from Max, it’s from today, one month after the last post. I hope the users come back to read this post or have notifications enabled.

Thanks
-stephan//cintoo

By: Emmanuel Bernard

Emmanuel Bernard — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:18:59 +0000

I don’t really understand your concern?
The thread you describe shows a non JBoss employee claiming something wrong. I guess people make mistakes. Max (a JBoss employee and Hibernate team member) debunked him.